Will v2.20 be an easy Upgrade?

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject: Will v2.20 be an easy Upgrade?

Hi there,

This is gonna be the biggest thing to hit the Nuke community in a long time! I can't wait for 2.20 to be released, but I have been wondering is it going to be easy to upgrade from version 2.10? I would say yes, very, if it is not modified. What if it has though?

For instance I have changed the polls and news modules entirely and the forums have been tweaked too(modules/Forums). Will the upgrade documentation advise if this is the case?

Also will there be any plans to incorporate PHPbb 3.0 into the next Ravens release 2.30 / 2.40 ?

Many Thanks

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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject:

Easy or difficult is subjective.

You `ll need to take the required time for this upgrade and you need to merge your changed files with the newest.
All is documented also there are additional information in different files.
But don´t hestitate to ask in the forums with your problems.
I personally enjoy my stable forums version and working mods and don´t need an other phpBB version. SMF thats what I would try out.
But i don´t know Ravens plans.

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject:

Righty ho sounds like this is gonna be fun hee hee hee, so do we post any 2.20 issues here or @ the other site?

I do agree on having a good working forum code and a code that mods work with too... I know some people in the PHPbb community are working on a nuke port atm and are nearing completion.

Would be interesting to hear Ravens thoughts on it. As I am unsure if it would be less secure than the current forums code in the package atm.

Not long to go now, we are in the release week Razz

w00t

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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: RavenNuke

At ravenphpscripts.com will be a support forum for version 2.20

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Susann is being a bit modest Smile

. She is a very active member of the RN Team and pretty much knows what I am thinking most of the time Laughing

. Maybe it's because she thinks in German and I think in code, I mean English?

Right now we have no intention on changing Forums. That does not mean that we won't; it just means it's not in our immediate thinking.

PHPBB3 is still relatively new and is being massively tested now that it is released. Fixes will be coming and security issues will be addressed. Meaning, the existing code will go through some changing before finally stabilizing. In addition, PHPBB3 has an extensive "hooks" system built in that is targeted at easier integration for third parties. When we get time, should we decide to look at integration, we will be looking at integrating it in a much more constructive and logical manner than PHPBB2 was. That's not an attack on those who integrated PHPBB2. They did a great work especially considering what they had to work with at the time (unstable and insecure phpnuke code). They were not as fortunate as we [supposedly] will be in that PHPBB2 was not nearly as structured and codified as PHPBB3. I guess that's the price you pay for progress Wink

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Yes, we are aware that others are developing integration code. We wish them well and hope that they use the builtin hook system as it was designed to be used. That will make the code much more portable. Just as an fyi, there is another school of thought, if you will, that is in favor of disconnecting bb2nuke altogether with the intent of making it so that any forum could be used with nuke. This would be my desire if I were to have the time and the motivation to do anything. I would develop a "bridge" type pattern to allow for any forum to integrate into RavenNuke(tm) with only a few settings required from the forum software. To explain just a bit more, RavenNuke(tm) would/could be looked at as being the Host and the forum software as the Client. The Host would provide an independent gateway (for lack of a better term) that would allow the Client to "plug-in" to the Host and transfer user information or whatever would be needed. That coding technology is not new and is used very heavily in many applications. It's commonly known as a type of Design Pattern.

As to your question of ease of upgrading, I can honestly/accurately say that upgrading RavenNuke(tm) is easier than upgrading phpnuke because of the tools and documentation that we provide for you. Concerning scripts/code that you have modified, well that's exactly the same issue that you face with any piece of software that you choose to modify, be it phpnuke, RavenNuke(tm), Joomla, etc. Obviously, we cannot possibly know what modifications people have made so you (the user) will have to mitigate the upgrades manually and individually in those cases. The main tenant that we have tried to adhere to, as much as is possible w/o sacrificing security, is to be backwardly compatible to RavenNuke(tm) [obviously] and to phpnuke. To the latter we are not 100% and that has been out of necessity as well as design. If we would have stayed 100% then we would have improved nothing. We would have just perpetuated chaos and insecurity Laughing

Oh well, enough of the evangelizing! Better get back to work to try to make that release date Smile

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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:05 am Post subject:

Hey Raven,

Wow wee yeah I get what you mean as regards to the bridge that would be brilliant and would open up a whole new world to the nuke community. Especially as the possibility of invision boards being used in a nuke system.

Thank you also for filling me in on the upgrade info, I shall be reading everything before I start attempting an upgrade, and yes a complete site and DB back-up will be done prior to any upgrade lol (I have learnt that lesson quickly lol)

Many thanks for your reply bro, certainly gave me something to think about.

Oh yeah I like the way you have included site points in the members profile.

Cheers

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